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Saturday, April 12, 2008

CZ 85 Update

Some time back I promised an update on my CZ 85 Combat, but I wanted to wait until I’d accumulated enough experience shooting and carrying it to make for a worthwhile report.

The last time I mentioned the piece it was choking on Winchester White Box ammo after developing a record of 100% reliability with Remington UMC and Speer Gold Dots. This was, naturally, confidence-rattling… but the same WWB also caused stoppages in my ultra-reliable Hi-Power and Squeaky’s XD. Bad ammo? More than likely. A consultation with Dr. Strangegun revealed that his CZ 75 malfs in exactly the same way when fed WWB; a weak powder charge and an out-of-spec extractor groove allow the extractor to slip off the empty case and tie up the gun with a double-feed.

So… WWB is off the menu. I switched to Blazer Brass since I needed 500 rounds for an upcoming defensive pistol course and the case price on Blazer Brass is, well, slightly less outrageous than the going rate for other practice ammo.

This afternoon I put 100 rounds of Blazer Brass and 32 Speer 124-grain +P Gold Dots downrange with no malfunctions, great accuracy and minimal fouling. Why 32 Gold Dots? I was cycling through my carry ammo (2 16-round magazines) and the damn things are just WAY too pricey to shoot in greater quantities. I really should have just burned up the top few rounds in each magazine (since they’ve been in and out of the chamber more than once) but I wanted to restore my confidence in the gun’s reliability.

A few random notes on the gun:

Accuracy and shootability

When we talk about accuracy, most of us are really talking about two separate things: the mechanical accuracy of the gun, and how well we’re able to tap into that accuracy. For example, a little J-frame snubby has great mechanical accuracy with its short, stiff barrel, but taking advantage of that accuracy demands significant skill. Ross Seyfried once wrote, “Snubbies with barrels less than 3 inches are real tough. These little guys do have a purpose, as teachers. To hit, they make you do everything perfectly.”

This CZ is just the opposite; I find I have to put in very little effort, both physical and mental, to produce my usual level of accuracy. I really do need to sit down and shoot it over sandbags to see just what it can do; I think I’ll be pleased.

Ergonomics

The thumb safety on the CZ 75/85 series works like those on the 1911 and the Hi-Power, but it’s situated farther forward on the frame. This makes for more comfortable thumb-on-safety shooting, at least with my somewhat weirdly-shaped hands. On the down side, it’s also a little harder to engage the safety with my thumb. I’ve found that putting the gun on-safe by swiping up against the right-side safety lever with my trigger finger is quicker and easier.

A criticism: the inverted slide rails reduce the exposed area of the slide, so there’s less for you to grab onto. Racking the slide with sweaty or oily hands is tough with any gun; I don’t see any reason to make it harder.

Carrying

My carry rig for the CZ is a Comp-Tac C-T.A.C. riding on a 5-stitch Wilderness Instructor Belt. Bear in mind that the CZ 85 is a full-size, all-steel pistol weighing 42 ounces fully loaded; it needs decent carry gear.

The holster itself:

 holster

As you can see, there’s a molded-in sweat guard that also helps to prevent accidental disengagement of the safety.

Here’s the gun in the holster. I have it adjusted to ride relatively low and canted well forward.

 gun in holster

And here’s how it packs:

IWB carry

It’s comfortable, discreet, and reasonably quick to draw; highly recommended.

Future changes

Overall I’m very happy with the gun. A few modifications will make it just about perfect.

Around 700 rounds of live fire and a few thousand dry-fires have smoothed up the trigger significantly… but not quite enough. I’m going to have a trigger job done and one of Jim Miossi’s hard sears installed. Don’t get me wrong, it has a decent trigger pull that would satisfy most people; I’m just a trigger snob.

The adjustable sights will be swapped out for a set of fixed Trijicon night sights that are better suited to concealed carry. Again, the current sights aren’t *bad*, they’re just not what I want.

Finally… matte hard chrome. Just ‘cuz it’s purty.

posted by TD at 9:11 pm  

6 Comments »

  1. http://www.czcustom.com has factory night sights - essentially new take-offs from SP-01 Custom builds - for $50. I got a set for my new 75SS but haven’t put them on yet. I really like them, they’ve got a nice big plastic insert around the tritium vial, so they are much easier to pick up than most night sights. I actually think they’re more visible than the factory white dots. They’ll fit the 85’s sight cuts, but there will be a little flat spot behind them.

    I think the slide-inside-frame design is part of the CZ’s inherent accuracy and reliability, but it is kind of tough to cycle with slick hands. I’d like to see them add the front concave serrations from the SP-01 to the other models. As well as the higher beavertail and extended mag release.

    Joe

    Comment by Joe Allen — April 12, 2008 @ 10:27 pm

  2. WWB has had issues with rim thickness/extractor groove width before. Back in the pre-XD days there was a certain production run that just flat would not run in the HS2000.

    I avoid the stuff like the plague, myself. It’s not as good as S&B, and not significantly cheaper even at Wally World pricing.

    Comment by Tam — April 13, 2008 @ 10:52 am

  3. Joe -

    You bought an 85 Combat too, right? How do you like yours?

    I’m going with Trijicon sights on mine because (A) they’re local and I want to support them, and (B) I actually find white dots distracting and like being able to remove them from my Trijicons (the white rings are just painted on).

    Tam -

    So S&B is your blastin’ ammo of choice? I usually go with UMC, but I got an irresistible deal on this Blazer Brass and so far it’s entirely satisfactory.

    Comment by TD — April 13, 2008 @ 11:40 am

  4. I don’t really have a “preferred” ball ammo, because for the most part it’s very much of a muchness. I’ve generally had good luck with all the big four US brands, as well as S&B and MagTech.

    I shoot a lot of MagTech, because they’re the only company that offers semi-reasonably priced .357 Mag and .44 Mag range ammo, and I shoot a lot of Georgia Arms because they’re the only company with an affordable .45ACP 200gr SWC load.

    Comment by Tam — April 13, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

  5. Remington UMC, believe it or not, is racking up a statistically significant failure rate these days. Lots of duds, and two notable issues, one where the case wasn’t trimmed to length properly (9×20mm, natch) and another with a cartridge that looked like someone smacked it with a hammer before boxing it, had a flat surface beaten into the projectile and part of the rim.

    Comment by drstrangegun — April 15, 2008 @ 9:33 am

  6. I have only a hundred rounds thru my 10mm EAA Witness, which is similar. The slide-in-frame design is to lower the bore axis. I agree it’s more difficult to rack the slide. An IWB carry? Cool! I wasn’t considering it due to the prominent hammer and beavertail, AND because of the limited choices in holsters.

    Comment by Turk Turon — April 19, 2008 @ 1:32 pm

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